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		<title>By: Earl C. Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl C. Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People only can do what they know and see, and I wrote The Three-Dimensional Leader: Negotiating Your Mission, Resources and Context to help people clearly see what they must know to lead effectively.  My MRC system is based upon three leadership paradigms revealed in the book of Judges.  Three-dimensional leaders achieve their missions by getting a team to coordinate a focused consensus that achieves peace in their lands (congregations, government programs, businesses, not-for-profit agencies).  This peace (well-working relationships focused on a common mission) is what drives prosperity (the success of programs and initiatives that meets the needs of people, congregations and communities).  

Two-dimensional leaders fail to understand the context of to how to rally people-resources to the mission to achieve peace and a prosperous that changes the outcomes.  This is the equivalent of how at times Israel was a nation, but was harassed by the enemy, so the nation could not be fully functional.  One-dimensional leadership is all about “me” not the mission.  These self-centered leaders ignore essential elements within their contexts or inappropriately impose their backgrounds, special interests, and pet-peeves upon the process, and thus frustrate followers.  

Three-dimensional leaders are SEM masters, meaning they submit ego to the mission (cause of Christ).  Great leaders serve to organize, resource and equip, and empower others so they can serve and succeed at their jobs and ministries. 
An MRC focus assists senior executives to plot corporate strategy, division managers and department heads to organize the processes that achieve it, and supervisors to inspire employees to implement it with a dynamic team spirit and an amazing customer service focus! These principles propel organizations to achieve more effective collaboration and coordination from the boardroom to the mailroom.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People only can do what they know and see, and I wrote The Three-Dimensional Leader: Negotiating Your Mission, Resources and Context to help people clearly see what they must know to lead effectively.  My MRC system is based upon three leadership paradigms revealed in the book of Judges.  Three-dimensional leaders achieve their missions by getting a team to coordinate a focused consensus that achieves peace in their lands (congregations, government programs, businesses, not-for-profit agencies).  This peace (well-working relationships focused on a common mission) is what drives prosperity (the success of programs and initiatives that meets the needs of people, congregations and communities).  </p>
<p>Two-dimensional leaders fail to understand the context of to how to rally people-resources to the mission to achieve peace and a prosperous that changes the outcomes.  This is the equivalent of how at times Israel was a nation, but was harassed by the enemy, so the nation could not be fully functional.  One-dimensional leadership is all about “me” not the mission.  These self-centered leaders ignore essential elements within their contexts or inappropriately impose their backgrounds, special interests, and pet-peeves upon the process, and thus frustrate followers.  </p>
<p>Three-dimensional leaders are SEM masters, meaning they submit ego to the mission (cause of Christ).  Great leaders serve to organize, resource and equip, and empower others so they can serve and succeed at their jobs and ministries.<br />
An MRC focus assists senior executives to plot corporate strategy, division managers and department heads to organize the processes that achieve it, and supervisors to inspire employees to implement it with a dynamic team spirit and an amazing customer service focus! These principles propel organizations to achieve more effective collaboration and coordination from the boardroom to the mailroom.”</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of the disloyalty of humanity&#039;s first parents, humans inherited the propensity to be God wannabes/control freaks, gullible, gamblers, guiltshifters, and greedy.
It is natural for the carnal/fleshly human to follow those who  rebel against the Spirit or themselves to lead in rebellion. I call them social/religious gang leaders or gangs. 
We are living in very cynical times. Iniquity abounds and there is the us versus them attitude all over the globe. Some leaders are passionate yet they are unwise. Paul said, &quot;Be followers of me as I follow Christ&quot; 
One of the major problems in almost all churches is the leadership vacuum. The identifying trait of leaders is if they have a valid discipleship or training program. This, generally, is not the case. Almost all clergy  are involved in shallow nurturing or amateur theological therapy sessions.
Earth is a penal colony where deceived LAW trashing , GOD hating (Jer 17:9/Rom 8:7)rebellious criminals have a warden , SATAN to keep them oppressed and in slavery.

Only spiritual individual  who understand and embrace the authentic GOSPEL rehab program can be true Godly leaders. All of the rest are just religious gang leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the disloyalty of humanity&#8217;s first parents, humans inherited the propensity to be God wannabes/control freaks, gullible, gamblers, guiltshifters, and greedy.<br />
It is natural for the carnal/fleshly human to follow those who  rebel against the Spirit or themselves to lead in rebellion. I call them social/religious gang leaders or gangs.<br />
We are living in very cynical times. Iniquity abounds and there is the us versus them attitude all over the globe. Some leaders are passionate yet they are unwise. Paul said, &#8220;Be followers of me as I follow Christ&#8221;<br />
One of the major problems in almost all churches is the leadership vacuum. The identifying trait of leaders is if they have a valid discipleship or training program. This, generally, is not the case. Almost all clergy  are involved in shallow nurturing or amateur theological therapy sessions.<br />
Earth is a penal colony where deceived LAW trashing , GOD hating (Jer 17:9/Rom 8:7)rebellious criminals have a warden , SATAN to keep them oppressed and in slavery.</p>
<p>Only spiritual individual  who understand and embrace the authentic GOSPEL rehab program can be true Godly leaders. All of the rest are just religious gang leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: John, an unlikely Pastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John, an unlikely Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,
thanks for the thoughts on leadership and issues of poverty.  The story you told is one of a true leader taking time to pay attention to the real issues at hand rather than focussing on political survival.
There&#039;s no question we all, reguarldess of vocation, need to think first before we speak paying attention to the passion and the need that the leader is seeking to address more than the title of the person or that persons affiliations.

John, 
thanks for your thoughts about how churches respond to social issues.  All Christians, but particularly pastors, are viewed as representatives of the Gospel and Christ&#039;s people.  We need to be challenged to think first before we speak.  Party identification or denominational affiliation aren&#039;t adequate basis for supporting one program and not another.  Complex socal issues like homelessness, poverty, immigration, mental illness, and health care are often way beyond our immediate expertise.  We can offer our opinions but ought not rush to the microphones if we haven&#039;t studied up both on the issue at hand and on Christ commands to love God above all and to love our neighbors as ourselves.  
The challenge to the church is not to be reactionary; but to be thoughtful in our reaction considering both our world as we encounter it and Christ&#039;s instructions about how to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,<br />
thanks for the thoughts on leadership and issues of poverty.  The story you told is one of a true leader taking time to pay attention to the real issues at hand rather than focussing on political survival.<br />
There&#8217;s no question we all, reguarldess of vocation, need to think first before we speak paying attention to the passion and the need that the leader is seeking to address more than the title of the person or that persons affiliations.</p>
<p>John,<br />
thanks for your thoughts about how churches respond to social issues.  All Christians, but particularly pastors, are viewed as representatives of the Gospel and Christ&#8217;s people.  We need to be challenged to think first before we speak.  Party identification or denominational affiliation aren&#8217;t adequate basis for supporting one program and not another.  Complex socal issues like homelessness, poverty, immigration, mental illness, and health care are often way beyond our immediate expertise.  We can offer our opinions but ought not rush to the microphones if we haven&#8217;t studied up both on the issue at hand and on Christ commands to love God above all and to love our neighbors as ourselves.<br />
The challenge to the church is not to be reactionary; but to be thoughtful in our reaction considering both our world as we encounter it and Christ&#8217;s instructions about how to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Maggiora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Maggiora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, George for bring forth this critical issue that burdens the entire Body of Christ for both our lack of understanding and lack of biblically-based response.

Bill&#039;s statement grounded on the premise of 
&quot;Christ in Me&quot; needs to also acknowledge the presence of Sin within us all--all the time.  In each of our own ways we are saddled through Sin with being &quot;less fortunate, marginalized and/or oppressed&quot; in ways other than are monetarily measured.  Unfortunately, especially for those who have relatively prosperous lives--we have been blinded by Satan&#039;s lies to this &quot;Sin within Us.&quot;

This is the fundamental barrier to our communities ability in collectively and effectively addressing the issue of poverty--our deceived belief that poverty is not already and always within us because we don&#039;t &quot;look&quot; impoverished.  We must come to accept that poverty/Sin just happens to manifest itself in different ways.  We unknowingly relish in this belief that we are not suffering as others we can see in a more obvious, observable way are suffering.  Where is our humility as a primary demonstration of our awareness of this truth?

So leadership starts first and foremost in each of our hearts--with a willingness to accept the Sin/poverty we inherit in being a part of this world, and our willingness to not distinquish ourselves from those we see being less fortunate in the &quot;measures of the world.&quot;  

Until we adopt the &quot;measures of the Word&quot; as the basis for our engagement with our fellow suffering brothers and sisters within and without the Kingdom of Christ--we are simply subject to Satan&#039;s deception as to whose problem &quot;poverty&quot; truly is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, George for bring forth this critical issue that burdens the entire Body of Christ for both our lack of understanding and lack of biblically-based response.</p>
<p>Bill&#8217;s statement grounded on the premise of<br />
&#8220;Christ in Me&#8221; needs to also acknowledge the presence of Sin within us all&#8211;all the time.  In each of our own ways we are saddled through Sin with being &#8220;less fortunate, marginalized and/or oppressed&#8221; in ways other than are monetarily measured.  Unfortunately, especially for those who have relatively prosperous lives&#8211;we have been blinded by Satan&#8217;s lies to this &#8220;Sin within Us.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the fundamental barrier to our communities ability in collectively and effectively addressing the issue of poverty&#8211;our deceived belief that poverty is not already and always within us because we don&#8217;t &#8220;look&#8221; impoverished.  We must come to accept that poverty/Sin just happens to manifest itself in different ways.  We unknowingly relish in this belief that we are not suffering as others we can see in a more obvious, observable way are suffering.  Where is our humility as a primary demonstration of our awareness of this truth?</p>
<p>So leadership starts first and foremost in each of our hearts&#8211;with a willingness to accept the Sin/poverty we inherit in being a part of this world, and our willingness to not distinquish ourselves from those we see being less fortunate in the &#8220;measures of the world.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Until we adopt the &#8220;measures of the Word&#8221; as the basis for our engagement with our fellow suffering brothers and sisters within and without the Kingdom of Christ&#8211;we are simply subject to Satan&#8217;s deception as to whose problem &#8220;poverty&#8221; truly is.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Quintana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Quintana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter you said submissive to husbands, employers, political leaders IF they are leading effectively? You left out the IF in church leaders if they did not lead effectively? Did you do this intentionally or just forgot to? The greatest spiritual leader we ever had was a servant. This is still the greatest example we will ever have. IF we follow Christ, his apostles and their disciple’s examples threw the written word this will still reproduce healthy spiritual leaders even today. Interesting how yesterdays leaders were men of no reputation, nor interested in accumulating any great material wealth to build their ministry, nor in need of any celebrity status that attracted people to build any kind of ministries. Seems like most of today’s spiritual leaders are just the opposite of our church founding leaders. Where is our example in this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter you said submissive to husbands, employers, political leaders IF they are leading effectively? You left out the IF in church leaders if they did not lead effectively? Did you do this intentionally or just forgot to? The greatest spiritual leader we ever had was a servant. This is still the greatest example we will ever have. IF we follow Christ, his apostles and their disciple’s examples threw the written word this will still reproduce healthy spiritual leaders even today. Interesting how yesterdays leaders were men of no reputation, nor interested in accumulating any great material wealth to build their ministry, nor in need of any celebrity status that attracted people to build any kind of ministries. Seems like most of today’s spiritual leaders are just the opposite of our church founding leaders. Where is our example in this?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Dahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One person can make a difference. Tackling poverty is a way of living - it is behavioral. The poverty issue is multi-dimensional - yet - at its essence us the priviliege and sacred duty to do what one can where one is at....everyday - as a fundamental gift if the reality of &quot;Christ in me.&quot; May we all beseech Him for what each of us must do on behalf of His less fortunate, marginalized and oppressed children
Stooping down requires a physical change in posture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One person can make a difference. Tackling poverty is a way of living &#8211; it is behavioral. The poverty issue is multi-dimensional &#8211; yet &#8211; at its essence us the priviliege and sacred duty to do what one can where one is at&#8230;.everyday &#8211; as a fundamental gift if the reality of &#8220;Christ in me.&#8221; May we all beseech Him for what each of us must do on behalf of His less fortunate, marginalized and oppressed children<br />
Stooping down requires a physical change in posture.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Cavanaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Cavanaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, Very encouraging to hear about leaders who care passionately for those they serve. I am curious though about the actual program that brings such significant results in its early stages that it brought tears to this leader. Is that something you can share? Sounds very exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, Very encouraging to hear about leaders who care passionately for those they serve. I am curious though about the actual program that brings such significant results in its early stages that it brought tears to this leader. Is that something you can share? Sounds very exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCormick</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCormick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased to see Mr. Barna&#039;s genuine passion and concern for the poor. Too often we as Christians rail against government programs to help the poor contrar to the heart of Jesus. We must recognize as the Body of Christ that we often fail in this area before we can address the issues. Repentance before action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased to see Mr. Barna&#8217;s genuine passion and concern for the poor. Too often we as Christians rail against government programs to help the poor contrar to the heart of Jesus. We must recognize as the Body of Christ that we often fail in this area before we can address the issues. Repentance before action.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Whittington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Whittington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Mr Loyd.  Peter addressed the topic of followership when he said that followers of Christ are to be submissive.  Submissive to husbands if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to employers if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to political leaders if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to church leaders. Submissive to the Spirit, of course.  It seems to me that leaders are fearful of leading because they know that followers are not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Mr Loyd.  Peter addressed the topic of followership when he said that followers of Christ are to be submissive.  Submissive to husbands if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to employers if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to political leaders if they are to lead effectively.  Submissive to church leaders. Submissive to the Spirit, of course.  It seems to me that leaders are fearful of leading because they know that followers are not there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert Loyd Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert Loyd Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m convinced that real leadership is a relational process. Those who focus on leaders only, who neglect followership, are missing half of the leadership equation. We each lead and we each follow. Passionate followership is not only a vital component in leadership, but is also my responsibility. Great reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m convinced that real leadership is a relational process. Those who focus on leaders only, who neglect followership, are missing half of the leadership equation. We each lead and we each follow. Passionate followership is not only a vital component in leadership, but is also my responsibility. Great reminder.</p>
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