Comments on: The Cost of Character and Morality http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/the-cost-of-character-and-morality/ Facilitating A Spiritual And Moral Revolution Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:46:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mike Bennett http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/the-cost-of-character-and-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-602 Mike Bennett Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:42:30 +0000 http://www.georgebarna.com/?p=418#comment-602 Thank you so much for sharing the story of Brian Davis and his character! It is great to hear positive stories and good examples. Though Davis gave up $411,000 now, the eternal reward is so much greater, and the benefit to those who are inspired by the example is priceless. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I hope to work it into my blog too. Thank you so much for sharing the story of Brian Davis and his character! It is great to hear positive stories and good examples. Though Davis gave up $411,000 now, the eternal reward is so much greater, and the benefit to those who are inspired by the example is priceless. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I hope to work it into my blog too.

]]> By: Erik Johnson http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/the-cost-of-character-and-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Erik Johnson Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:02:02 +0000 http://www.georgebarna.com/?p=418#comment-573 Great post. For Brian and those that do the right thing there usually isn't any other choice. Enjoyed your visit @ CCV and look forward to reading more of your blog. Thought you might enjoy this post about CCV and marketing strategy... http://www.brandaidblog.com/blog/2009/09/01/confusion-at-church Take care, Erik Johnson Great post. For Brian and those that do the right thing there usually isn’t any other choice. Enjoyed your visit @ CCV and look forward to reading more of your blog. Thought you might enjoy this post about CCV and marketing strategy…

http://www.brandaidblog.com/blog/2009/09/01/confusion-at-church

Take care,
Erik Johnson

]]> By: Jim http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/the-cost-of-character-and-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Jim Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:45:08 +0000 http://www.georgebarna.com/?p=418#comment-418 Great post. I’ve frequently longed and pined for such a peer reviewed and objectively tested discipline to apply as a check against my own bias in favor of charismatic claims of supernatural events, that is, to have a profoundly disciplined peer review of the true extent to which our own human hands are the effective agents in touching the reeds (to borrow from your golf analogy), a review of whether and to what extent we humans cause the appearances of supernatural effects. This kind of discipline and peer review would take some form of a combination of a naturalized theology practiced under a scientific-like scrutiny (the video cameras at least by analogy) combined with brutally objective and dispassionate peer review by believers capable of questioning their own claims – an act of discipline and of self-sacrifice, that is, the self-sacrifice of favorite theological positions, and the self-sacrifice of knee-jerk claims about the supernatural (proving our theology ‘right’). A way to make charismatic and even cessationist claims of answered prayers – less self-ish. We’re prolifically inventive of ways to keep score for our favorite theological positions so our theologies can win tournaments – without wanting video cameras of objectivity to double-check us. It’s one thing to laud this honesty in a golf example. Another to cleanse our temples of faux practice close to home. Cheers, Jim Great post.

I’ve frequently longed and pined for such a peer reviewed and objectively tested discipline to apply as a check against my own bias in favor of charismatic claims of supernatural events, that is, to have a profoundly disciplined peer review of the true extent to which our own human hands are the effective agents in touching the reeds (to borrow from your golf analogy), a review of whether and to what extent we humans cause the appearances of supernatural effects.

This kind of discipline and peer review would take some form of a combination of a naturalized theology practiced under a scientific-like scrutiny (the video cameras at least by analogy) combined with brutally objective and dispassionate peer review by believers capable of questioning their own claims – an act of discipline and of self-sacrifice, that is, the self-sacrifice of favorite theological positions, and the self-sacrifice of knee-jerk claims about the supernatural (proving our theology ‘right’).

A way to make charismatic and even cessationist claims of answered prayers – less self-ish.

We’re prolifically inventive of ways to keep score for our favorite theological positions so our theologies can win tournaments – without wanting video cameras of objectivity to double-check us. It’s one thing to laud this honesty in a golf example. Another to cleanse our temples of faux practice close to home.

Cheers,

Jim

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