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		<title>By: Jim Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any credible criteria or generally accepted concensus on speech/communication or do we just resign to the modern trend.....everyone does what is right in  their own eyes?

Does it matter that colleges teach communication classes using textbooks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any credible criteria or generally accepted concensus on speech/communication or do we just resign to the modern trend&#8230;..everyone does what is right in  their own eyes?</p>
<p>Does it matter that colleges teach communication classes using textbooks?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus&#039; sermon on the mount by Matthews&#039; account can be read in 9 minutes and covers a certain amount of issues.

When teaching, I usually use about 10 slides in 50 minutes and start out with a slide that has S.I.R. in which I ask the audience what was significant, interesting, and relevant about the lesson plan for the previous week.

From experience, I discard the fillers and address what I consider crucial issues for today.

Too much presented these days is what the speaker is interested in and puts the audience into suspended animation &gt;&gt;&gt;One sided , non fat dry milk , typical topical sermon/lectures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus&#8217; sermon on the mount by Matthews&#8217; account can be read in 9 minutes and covers a certain amount of issues.</p>
<p>When teaching, I usually use about 10 slides in 50 minutes and start out with a slide that has S.I.R. in which I ask the audience what was significant, interesting, and relevant about the lesson plan for the previous week.</p>
<p>From experience, I discard the fillers and address what I consider crucial issues for today.</p>
<p>Too much presented these days is what the speaker is interested in and puts the audience into suspended animation &gt;&gt;&gt;One sided , non fat dry milk , typical topical sermon/lectures.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristi Ciuca</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristi Ciuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good input Carl but I think that the point of the material is efficiency not length...I do not think that he meant the 5 sentence thing as a rule...it is about being efficient in what you communicate...if it takes you 6 lines or 20 lines...fine...but make sure you are efficient. It is great that you value lengthy conversations but if you repeat yourself in that conversation why should you waste ones time? Of course there are things that take lengthy conversations but it takes efficiency...I mean...you need to come to Romania and attend a 3 hours wedding service with 4 messages to see what lengthy is :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good input Carl but I think that the point of the material is efficiency not length&#8230;I do not think that he meant the 5 sentence thing as a rule&#8230;it is about being efficient in what you communicate&#8230;if it takes you 6 lines or 20 lines&#8230;fine&#8230;but make sure you are efficient. It is great that you value lengthy conversations but if you repeat yourself in that conversation why should you waste ones time? Of course there are things that take lengthy conversations but it takes efficiency&#8230;I mean&#8230;you need to come to Romania and attend a 3 hours wedding service with 4 messages to see what lengthy is <img src='http://www.georgebarna.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: steve reid</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>steve reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most authors of such communications do seem to adhere to the &#039;more is better&#039; philosophy.

But... when concise points are given which influence decisions and an appropriate &#039;context&#039; is not provided, it is like firing at a target without knowing which one you were supposed to hit.  

One of the challenges again of the inability of some of these modes of communication to take place without feedback.

For some of the other modes, perhaps we need to get better at asking our questions; ie knowing what we want.  Ex. When the boss asks a vague question, her employee is apt to adopt the &#039;more is better&#039; philosophy in the general case to &#039;cover her bases&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most authors of such communications do seem to adhere to the &#8216;more is better&#8217; philosophy.</p>
<p>But&#8230; when concise points are given which influence decisions and an appropriate &#8216;context&#8217; is not provided, it is like firing at a target without knowing which one you were supposed to hit.  </p>
<p>One of the challenges again of the inability of some of these modes of communication to take place without feedback.</p>
<p>For some of the other modes, perhaps we need to get better at asking our questions; ie knowing what we want.  Ex. When the boss asks a vague question, her employee is apt to adopt the &#8216;more is better&#8217; philosophy in the general case to &#8216;cover her bases&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Your hard-won conclusion is a masterpiece I&#039;m going to quote on my blog. Also appreciate the follow up on &quot;blunt.&quot; I still want to be careful with that one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Your hard-won conclusion is a masterpiece I&#8217;m going to quote on my blog. Also appreciate the follow up on &#8220;blunt.&#8221; I still want to be careful with that one!</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jim
What an excellent reply - as though you were reading my mind! Thank you for the eloquence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jim<br />
What an excellent reply &#8211; as though you were reading my mind! Thank you for the eloquence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author’s lists (above) of wastes-of-time are things that are impossible to avoid.  

Medical doctors must sometimes order and weigh a greater number of medical tests than just those few tests that finally identify a condition – the excess information really is needed to rule out non-relevant conditions.  

Psychological counselors intake more information from subjects than what turns out to be relevant later on:  because “real” needs are often buried under a cascade of irrelevant initial information.  

Lawyers going to court have an ethical duty to do broad and wide “discovery” of facts:  not just to find relevant facts, but instead, to find facts that will lead to relevant facts.  Only at trial are the relevant facts reduced back down to a simple few – a few relevant facts threshed out from hundreds or thousands of irrelevant ones. 

Science proceeds by nearly uncountable “failed” experiments recorded as – failures.  

Random samples in the sociology of religion aren’t really random if designed to prove the cute and simple bias of the researcher.  

Spiritual journeys in faith may (if we are honest) involve walking experimentally down a dozen dead-end streets in order to find the way of the Way.  

It’s easy and cliche to say - get to the point.  

As if Jesus was as a terse, proverb-vending machine. 

To know what’s relevant in my faith – my daily faith in real life – not in some cliche-spitting proverb realm where points are fast and cheap, I often need to know and research through tons of “waste.”  

To sweep the whole floor to find the penny.   

Getting to  the simple “it” (God’s specific will for today) isn’t always simple.  

Oh, for a few good friends willing to wade through it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author’s lists (above) of wastes-of-time are things that are impossible to avoid.  </p>
<p>Medical doctors must sometimes order and weigh a greater number of medical tests than just those few tests that finally identify a condition – the excess information really is needed to rule out non-relevant conditions.  </p>
<p>Psychological counselors intake more information from subjects than what turns out to be relevant later on:  because “real” needs are often buried under a cascade of irrelevant initial information.  </p>
<p>Lawyers going to court have an ethical duty to do broad and wide “discovery” of facts:  not just to find relevant facts, but instead, to find facts that will lead to relevant facts.  Only at trial are the relevant facts reduced back down to a simple few – a few relevant facts threshed out from hundreds or thousands of irrelevant ones. </p>
<p>Science proceeds by nearly uncountable “failed” experiments recorded as – failures.  </p>
<p>Random samples in the sociology of religion aren’t really random if designed to prove the cute and simple bias of the researcher.  </p>
<p>Spiritual journeys in faith may (if we are honest) involve walking experimentally down a dozen dead-end streets in order to find the way of the Way.  </p>
<p>It’s easy and cliche to say &#8211; get to the point.  </p>
<p>As if Jesus was as a terse, proverb-vending machine. </p>
<p>To know what’s relevant in my faith – my daily faith in real life – not in some cliche-spitting proverb realm where points are fast and cheap, I often need to know and research through tons of “waste.”  </p>
<p>To sweep the whole floor to find the penny.   </p>
<p>Getting to  the simple “it” (God’s specific will for today) isn’t always simple.  </p>
<p>Oh, for a few good friends willing to wade through it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/04/get-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting...these are comments by men. Women need to use more words, because we have more to use.  At times brevity is good, however, there is a certain amount of pleasure to be had from reading a lengthy book, essay, letter. Life need not always be a hurried state. A conversation develops..
Re the remark by Jim henderson - Jesus, as a Jew, would not have been able to be a Rabbi before the age of 30, that is when He came into His maturity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;these are comments by men. Women need to use more words, because we have more to use.  At times brevity is good, however, there is a certain amount of pleasure to be had from reading a lengthy book, essay, letter. Life need not always be a hurried state. A conversation develops..<br />
Re the remark by Jim henderson &#8211; Jesus, as a Jew, would not have been able to be a Rabbi before the age of 30, that is when He came into His maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: John, an unlikely Pastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John, an unlikely Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,
that&#039;s a great point about the need to not only communicate an idea as an idea; it&#039;s another thing to put some meat on it and show it happens in the world.
Perhaps the challenge we starts when we forget that God both comes in the Word and incarnate in the live of Jesus.  
The gospel was first written with Jesus body and blood; perhaps the challenge for the church isn&#039;t one of time spent talking about concepts as much as one of time spent putting God&#039;s word into our lives.
thanks for the good counterpoint
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,<br />
that&#8217;s a great point about the need to not only communicate an idea as an idea; it&#8217;s another thing to put some meat on it and show it happens in the world.<br />
Perhaps the challenge we starts when we forget that God both comes in the Word and incarnate in the live of Jesus.<br />
The gospel was first written with Jesus body and blood; perhaps the challenge for the church isn&#8217;t one of time spent talking about concepts as much as one of time spent putting God&#8217;s word into our lives.<br />
thanks for the good counterpoint<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>less talk = more influence 

That is at least one reason that the founder of our family business (Jesus) may have spent his first 30 years doing nothing (in terms of public ministry :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>less talk = more influence </p>
<p>That is at least one reason that the founder of our family business (Jesus) may have spent his first 30 years doing nothing (in terms of public ministry <img src='http://www.georgebarna.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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