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		<title>By: ken lyn</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-7589</link>
		<dc:creator>ken lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main factors in today’s demise of the United States healthcare system is monetary consideration and the greed of corporate entities. Never before in the course of American history have we been so devoid of health insurance coverage and the absence of G-d and Christianity in a country that has a pledge to both is quite astounding at best. This is not what the founding fathers had in mind when they so eloquently approached the creation of this great country with We the People. It did not say only a few of the people who have the money or are employed with a firm that has a large enough group to where they can afford healthcare coverage, they said We.

Up in the Sky
G-dly healthcare is above all others by proxy and by default since G-d exists in the heavens above this makes perfect sense. Now we do not intend on making light of our Lord and Savior what we intend on doing is impressing upon you the fact that this form of evangelical healthcare has been needed in America for quite some time and currently the interest is at a heightened level and we only intend on poking the fires a little.

Shock Waves of Fear and Doubt
The absence of G-d in healthcare today in America should send shock waves of fear and unbelievable facial expressions on every citizen of these United States of America. You see, as a Christian society we need to get back to the Christian healthcare that mandates goodwill and moral attitude in every action from the physician visit all the way through to the claim payment, which if you stick around and we have loads to say about the way claims are being paid in America today and how they should be paid with alternative healthcare especially through Christian care ministry or some form of evangelical healthcare provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main factors in today’s demise of the United States healthcare system is monetary consideration and the greed of corporate entities. Never before in the course of American history have we been so devoid of health insurance coverage and the absence of G-d and Christianity in a country that has a pledge to both is quite astounding at best. This is not what the founding fathers had in mind when they so eloquently approached the creation of this great country with We the People. It did not say only a few of the people who have the money or are employed with a firm that has a large enough group to where they can afford healthcare coverage, they said We.</p>
<p>Up in the Sky<br />
G-dly healthcare is above all others by proxy and by default since G-d exists in the heavens above this makes perfect sense. Now we do not intend on making light of our Lord and Savior what we intend on doing is impressing upon you the fact that this form of evangelical healthcare has been needed in America for quite some time and currently the interest is at a heightened level and we only intend on poking the fires a little.</p>
<p>Shock Waves of Fear and Doubt<br />
The absence of G-d in healthcare today in America should send shock waves of fear and unbelievable facial expressions on every citizen of these United States of America. You see, as a Christian society we need to get back to the Christian healthcare that mandates goodwill and moral attitude in every action from the physician visit all the way through to the claim payment, which if you stick around and we have loads to say about the way claims are being paid in America today and how they should be paid with alternative healthcare especially through Christian care ministry or some form of evangelical healthcare provider.</p>
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		<title>By: gretchen</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at the Amish people for they provide what&#039;s needed for their own community, no government needed. Though they &#039;honor&#039; the govt as Jesus commanded, they take care of their situations themselves, also as Jesus commanded. They are also apart from wordliness, what the remainder of Christians ARE a part of -- the world, for Christians have FEW if ANY differentiations between themselves and the world. Barna&#039;s column/blog isn&#039;t Biblically sound for it excluded obedience to Jesus&#039; commands, the foundation for being a true Christian...doing God&#039;s will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at the Amish people for they provide what&#8217;s needed for their own community, no government needed. Though they &#8216;honor&#8217; the govt as Jesus commanded, they take care of their situations themselves, also as Jesus commanded. They are also apart from wordliness, what the remainder of Christians ARE a part of &#8212; the world, for Christians have FEW if ANY differentiations between themselves and the world. Barna&#8217;s column/blog isn&#8217;t Biblically sound for it excluded obedience to Jesus&#8217; commands, the foundation for being a true Christian&#8230;doing God&#8217;s will.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fassette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Fassette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God&#039;s method of healing is the cross so we must look back 1 peter2:24. All things were provided for us there, but the problem lies in our believing. We must get back to the bible and away forom man&#039;s tradition that have made The Word of God no effect Mark 7:11-13. It is God&#039;s will to heal all but because of the lies we have been taught  it has stolen our faith and left the church with out power. Well that&#039;s ok because His people will go to the cross one way or another as we will see in a very short time.  Thank you and Jesus bless you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God&#8217;s method of healing is the cross so we must look back 1 peter2:24. All things were provided for us there, but the problem lies in our believing. We must get back to the bible and away forom man&#8217;s tradition that have made The Word of God no effect Mark 7:11-13. It is God&#8217;s will to heal all but because of the lies we have been taught  it has stolen our faith and left the church with out power. Well that&#8217;s ok because His people will go to the cross one way or another as we will see in a very short time.  Thank you and Jesus bless you</p>
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		<title>By: dfager</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>world.</description>
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		<title>By: dfager</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog!

Health Care Reform is an important issue but, I believe it’s largely misunderstood.  There’s more to Health Care Reform then providing healthcare for the poor.  The poor can receive some benefits from welfare and State health programs.  The main issue and drive for reform is that working class America is getting less for their dollar in regards to healthcare.  Prices are becoming too expensive for the average American, even with insurance.  One major illness can wipe out the savings of a working family and force them into bankruptcy.  There are caps on coverage and some procedures can remain unreimbused by insurance companies.  There are rising premiums, larger deductibles and higher co-pays.  I think there&#039;s still some problem with coverage being denied for pre-existing conditions as well.  Small businesses often cannot afford to pay health care insurance to their employees and some employees cannot afford to pay for health insurance.  The cost of healthcare is contributing to our companies being less competitive in the global markets. 

In a way, I think our best option is having government involved because, they are big enough to drive reform.  However, I don’t believe this current round of reform will be very successful without a government option.  

I think we need to develop more non-profit clinics and if possible, non-profit insurance.  It’s not a Christian principle to profit from someone’s misfortune.  People shouldn’t have to hire attorneys to get claims paid. 

Are there any real solutions out there in church communities?  If I’m not a healthcare professional, how can I get involved?

I hope you mean real medical practice and not just laying on of hands and prayer because, the minute these do not work, people will be sued.

I think to be effective as God’s Church; Christians have to be less dependent on corporate America.  Only then will Christian values appear to be different and not of this w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!</p>
<p>Health Care Reform is an important issue but, I believe it’s largely misunderstood.  There’s more to Health Care Reform then providing healthcare for the poor.  The poor can receive some benefits from welfare and State health programs.  The main issue and drive for reform is that working class America is getting less for their dollar in regards to healthcare.  Prices are becoming too expensive for the average American, even with insurance.  One major illness can wipe out the savings of a working family and force them into bankruptcy.  There are caps on coverage and some procedures can remain unreimbused by insurance companies.  There are rising premiums, larger deductibles and higher co-pays.  I think there&#8217;s still some problem with coverage being denied for pre-existing conditions as well.  Small businesses often cannot afford to pay health care insurance to their employees and some employees cannot afford to pay for health insurance.  The cost of healthcare is contributing to our companies being less competitive in the global markets. </p>
<p>In a way, I think our best option is having government involved because, they are big enough to drive reform.  However, I don’t believe this current round of reform will be very successful without a government option.  </p>
<p>I think we need to develop more non-profit clinics and if possible, non-profit insurance.  It’s not a Christian principle to profit from someone’s misfortune.  People shouldn’t have to hire attorneys to get claims paid. </p>
<p>Are there any real solutions out there in church communities?  If I’m not a healthcare professional, how can I get involved?</p>
<p>I hope you mean real medical practice and not just laying on of hands and prayer because, the minute these do not work, people will be sued.</p>
<p>I think to be effective as God’s Church; Christians have to be less dependent on corporate America.  Only then will Christian values appear to be different and not of this w</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Oliver Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Oliver Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American Medical System is on its death bed, but government health care reform can never provide the cure. Both models for health care reform - government and business -- are fatally flawed. More often than not they leave their victims fatally wounded. Better grab your wallet and head for the hills when government proposes to &quot;reform&quot; anything. The only hope for any effective and efficient reform lies in the Bible and with the church.

The Business Model Is Broken

The current system is pretty good at what we might call &quot;body &amp; fender&quot; work. But they are generally clueless about what&#039;s going on under the hood and addressing the root causes. Here is a short list of the deficiencies:

1) A mechanistic view of the body underlies the system, treating a diseased organ in isolation, like the independent systems of an automobile.

2) This leads to treating symptoms and ignoring the underlying problems creating the symptoms.

3) Treatment of symptoms with drugs fails to address the underlying pathology. Nutrition and natural healing techniques are typically suppressed.

4) Drugs typically have side-effects worse than the disease or its symptoms.

5) Costs are driven into the billions, with money wasted on marketing the alleged benefits of drugs to doctors and the general public.

All of this leads to skyrocketing costs and makes health care generally unavailable without so-called government assistance. The failures of the prevailing business model are legendary and invite government meddling to &quot;fix&quot; the problem with health care reform.

The Government Model Is Lethal

We clearly need health care reform, but we&#039;ll never get it from big government. Government of course, presents itself as the cultural balm to heal all wounds. Instead it is the cultural bomb to wound all heels -- the vast majority that refuses to accept responsibility. They expect the government to force somebody else to provide for their health, education and welfare.

The U.S. Constitution - flawed as it is - makes no provision for government health care. More important, there is no provision for government health care in the Bible. Thus, civil government has no business meddling in health care beyond punishing medical malpractice. Anything more is usurping the social function of God and his church, which God will surely punish.

An out-of-control government will exploit a crisis to magnify its power over the private sector, trampling liberty in the process.

The Biblical Model Of True Health Care Reform

The Biblical approach addresses both the mode of healing and the method of delivery. First, we must recognize the church as the God-ordained cultural institution of healing. The words &quot;salvation&quot; and &quot;salve&quot; are derived from the same root. We have seen how the government model and the business model of healing alike are terminal and beyond reviving.

The Levites were assigned a medical responsibility in the Old Testament, which was supported by the tithe. For example, when leprosy infected a person or building they were responsible for dealing with it.

New Testament elders have a similar responsibility for healing duties. Even before consulting a doctor, a sick person is told to summon the elders to pray for him and apply medicinal oil (James 5:14). The operative Greek word is not chrio (annoint), but aleipho (apply). This represents application of the best medical means of the day along with appeal to God as the Great Physician. It is not simply a ceremonial anointing.

Thus, the church must reclaim health care as an aspect of Christian ministry. When profit enters the picture, the best interests of the patient soon take a back seat. Legalized (prescription) drug sales become the driving factor. Civil government gets involved not for profit, but for power. Health care is the proper domain of the church. It is funded by tithes and offerings, so that no one is excluded for lack of means.

The church must gradually reclaim this lost ministry, which the monasteries once performed. At least two things are required: 1) Elders must study to develop a doctrine of medicine so they can recognize quackery and guide their flock away from ineffective practice. 2) Individuals gifted in the healing arts must be funded by the tithe, possibly as part of the deaconate.

Proper mode of delivery is important, but the Bible also requires appropriate means of healing. In general, this points toward abandoning risky drug &quot;therapy&quot; in favor of natural, plant-based remedies. This is according to the pattern of Ezekiel 47:12 where - &quot;Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Medical System is on its death bed, but government health care reform can never provide the cure. Both models for health care reform &#8211; government and business &#8212; are fatally flawed. More often than not they leave their victims fatally wounded. Better grab your wallet and head for the hills when government proposes to &#8220;reform&#8221; anything. The only hope for any effective and efficient reform lies in the Bible and with the church.</p>
<p>The Business Model Is Broken</p>
<p>The current system is pretty good at what we might call &#8220;body &amp; fender&#8221; work. But they are generally clueless about what&#8217;s going on under the hood and addressing the root causes. Here is a short list of the deficiencies:</p>
<p>1) A mechanistic view of the body underlies the system, treating a diseased organ in isolation, like the independent systems of an automobile.</p>
<p>2) This leads to treating symptoms and ignoring the underlying problems creating the symptoms.</p>
<p>3) Treatment of symptoms with drugs fails to address the underlying pathology. Nutrition and natural healing techniques are typically suppressed.</p>
<p>4) Drugs typically have side-effects worse than the disease or its symptoms.</p>
<p>5) Costs are driven into the billions, with money wasted on marketing the alleged benefits of drugs to doctors and the general public.</p>
<p>All of this leads to skyrocketing costs and makes health care generally unavailable without so-called government assistance. The failures of the prevailing business model are legendary and invite government meddling to &#8220;fix&#8221; the problem with health care reform.</p>
<p>The Government Model Is Lethal</p>
<p>We clearly need health care reform, but we&#8217;ll never get it from big government. Government of course, presents itself as the cultural balm to heal all wounds. Instead it is the cultural bomb to wound all heels &#8212; the vast majority that refuses to accept responsibility. They expect the government to force somebody else to provide for their health, education and welfare.</p>
<p>The U.S. Constitution &#8211; flawed as it is &#8211; makes no provision for government health care. More important, there is no provision for government health care in the Bible. Thus, civil government has no business meddling in health care beyond punishing medical malpractice. Anything more is usurping the social function of God and his church, which God will surely punish.</p>
<p>An out-of-control government will exploit a crisis to magnify its power over the private sector, trampling liberty in the process.</p>
<p>The Biblical Model Of True Health Care Reform</p>
<p>The Biblical approach addresses both the mode of healing and the method of delivery. First, we must recognize the church as the God-ordained cultural institution of healing. The words &#8220;salvation&#8221; and &#8220;salve&#8221; are derived from the same root. We have seen how the government model and the business model of healing alike are terminal and beyond reviving.</p>
<p>The Levites were assigned a medical responsibility in the Old Testament, which was supported by the tithe. For example, when leprosy infected a person or building they were responsible for dealing with it.</p>
<p>New Testament elders have a similar responsibility for healing duties. Even before consulting a doctor, a sick person is told to summon the elders to pray for him and apply medicinal oil (James 5:14). The operative Greek word is not chrio (annoint), but aleipho (apply). This represents application of the best medical means of the day along with appeal to God as the Great Physician. It is not simply a ceremonial anointing.</p>
<p>Thus, the church must reclaim health care as an aspect of Christian ministry. When profit enters the picture, the best interests of the patient soon take a back seat. Legalized (prescription) drug sales become the driving factor. Civil government gets involved not for profit, but for power. Health care is the proper domain of the church. It is funded by tithes and offerings, so that no one is excluded for lack of means.</p>
<p>The church must gradually reclaim this lost ministry, which the monasteries once performed. At least two things are required: 1) Elders must study to develop a doctrine of medicine so they can recognize quackery and guide their flock away from ineffective practice. 2) Individuals gifted in the healing arts must be funded by the tithe, possibly as part of the deaconate.</p>
<p>Proper mode of delivery is important, but the Bible also requires appropriate means of healing. In general, this points toward abandoning risky drug &#8220;therapy&#8221; in favor of natural, plant-based remedies. This is according to the pattern of Ezekiel 47:12 where &#8211; &#8220;Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ickes</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ickes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have asked God to improve your health and to 
provide your health care providers with the skills to 
provide a speedy recovery. With Gods will in mind and in Jesus name.

Brothers &amp; sisters in Christ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have asked God to improve your health and to<br />
provide your health care providers with the skills to<br />
provide a speedy recovery. With Gods will in mind and in Jesus name.</p>
<p>Brothers &amp; sisters in Christ!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew 7:21-23</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew 7:21-23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t really be pro-life and not care for healthcare and other issues. Read James 1:22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t really be pro-life and not care for healthcare and other issues. Read James 1:22</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel V Nkosi</title>
		<link>http://www.georgebarna.com/2010/01/jesus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel V Nkosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long is the church going to continue EVANGELIZING and not DISCIPLING  ?

WHO DISAGREES THAT THERE IS A +90% BIBLICAL ILLITERACY/INFANTCY in every local church of every denomination in the Global Village ?

LAUSANNE 1,11,AND 111 ARE ALL ABOUT EVANGELIZNG/MAKING CONVERTS--based on Mark 16:15 instead of Mat. 28:19-20 !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long is the church going to continue EVANGELIZING and not DISCIPLING  ?</p>
<p>WHO DISAGREES THAT THERE IS A +90% BIBLICAL ILLITERACY/INFANTCY in every local church of every denomination in the Global Village ?</p>
<p>LAUSANNE 1,11,AND 111 ARE ALL ABOUT EVANGELIZNG/MAKING CONVERTS&#8211;based on Mark 16:15 instead of Mat. 28:19-20 !</p>
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		<title>By: pastor.joshuva vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>pastor.joshuva vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please pray for my health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please pray for my health.</p>
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